Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikings
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The result of the debate was KEEP. dbenbenn | talk 21:48, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The votes were 9 keep, 1 delete.
Non-notable student organization for a school we don't even have an article on. RickK 05:26, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. They have just posted the same in the Nederlands Wiki but at least this is a human translation. Add to List of words which look like Wiki terms (joke) but keep to confirm that it ain't a wiki term. Don't sound like a wiki term - I think they pronounce it Vikings. RHaworth 07:04, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
- A student society founded in 1910 may well be notable, or possibly mildly notorious if they were involved in "abducting" the Manneken Pis. Possible keep if the university article had been of decent size already, but at this point perhaps
merge(under "Student life" or something) with the University of Antwerp article (which is only a substub). I would really like input from Belgians before making up my mind. / up+land 07:48, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Changing vote to definite keep. Article has improved! I hope VanPeel will do something about the article on the University of Antwerp now. ;-) / up+land 17:22, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- One input is that their version has been up for four hours and no one has marked it VfD. -- RHaworth 11:20, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
- Keep. The Manneken Pis abduction adds to their notability. They got press attention and foundation in 1910 shows they've been around for quite some time. Merge into University of Antwerp if necessary. Mgm|(talk) 10:00, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. The Manneken Pis incident is certainly notable (the statue was (and probably still is) a favourite on the British Eurotrash program). Thryduulf 11:10, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete I disagree that briefly stealing a statue as a joke constitutes encyclopedic notability. I'd delete it, or Merge at best. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:59, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep The relevance of the Manneken Pis is that it was a Flemish statue in a city Brussels where the Flemish were culturally opressed by the bourgeois French-speaking part of the population. The action was also a call for education in Flemish in Flander's universities. It was an (albeit a tiny) item of world news back in 1963 because of its symbolic value and preceded the famous European student revolts of May '68 in Paris and other major European cities...
- Yeah, but the article doesn't really put the history and actions of the Wikings in this context, does it? Nor does it cite any references or even say when this abduction took place. I tend towards keep mostly because of the age and a gut feeling that this is probably an important group in its own context. When you post an article about a student society, of which there are dozens at every university, you have to explain why it is notable enough to be in a general purpose encyclopedia. More on history and more on the historical context and what effects it may have had on its academic or political environment. Important former members, people who started their political careers in the context of the society etc. A lot of student societies don't do anything but partying and that is perhaps fine for a brief mention in a general section on the student life at the university, but not for an article of its own. You have to think about who is going to read something you write. A lot about the Wikings may already be known or at least vaguely familiar to the readers of the Netherlands Wikipedia, but here on en:WP (or any other language version) that has to be stated explicitely. OK, sorry for the rant, but the article doesn't really make its own case. If it had, it probably wouldn't have been nominated for deletion. Please work on it a bit more. / up+land 20:15, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- You've got a point there! Further elaboration and referencing is on the way! VanPeel 00:24, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, but the article doesn't really put the history and actions of the Wikings in this context, does it? Nor does it cite any references or even say when this abduction took place. I tend towards keep mostly because of the age and a gut feeling that this is probably an important group in its own context. When you post an article about a student society, of which there are dozens at every university, you have to explain why it is notable enough to be in a general purpose encyclopedia. More on history and more on the historical context and what effects it may have had on its academic or political environment. Important former members, people who started their political careers in the context of the society etc. A lot of student societies don't do anything but partying and that is perhaps fine for a brief mention in a general section on the student life at the university, but not for an article of its own. You have to think about who is going to read something you write. A lot about the Wikings may already be known or at least vaguely familiar to the readers of the Netherlands Wikipedia, but here on en:WP (or any other language version) that has to be stated explicitely. OK, sorry for the rant, but the article doesn't really make its own case. If it had, it probably wouldn't have been nominated for deletion. Please work on it a bit more. / up+land 20:15, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Grue 19:52, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, notable. Megan1967 00:17, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Noteworthy. GRider\talk 17:10, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep it might be non notable for english speakers it is for flemish speakers. Waerth 11:36, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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