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Regarding Link's Romantic Intrests

Was he not engaged to marry Princess Ruto in Orcarina of Time? I belive this deserves special mention. I made a small edit about it but it was deleted.

He was but Ruto later complained that sages couldn't marry (which also puts Zelda out of the running for Ocarina of Time). Axem Titanium 02:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that only applies to the six sages. Zelda is the special seventh sage, leader of Hyrule. Besides, after the timeline was restored, none of them were sages anymore. Jaxad0127 03:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

If the thing about the timeline is true then wouldn't Link be able to be with Princess Ruto then? I don't belive they ever clearly explained it.

Rember at the end where Link goes back to Zelda. But then again, in WW, the Zora had become the Rito. Maybe Link helped out. Jaxad0127 04:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think he was, but maybe I'm just forgetful WikiSlasher 11:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe link helped out.. HEHE.. thats funny. I think he and Malon went the chinga chinga. Besides, links part of the royal family, and so is zelda, see a problem? But since that did'nt matter in those times... Links still some kid from the woods with no proof of his linking to the royal family, would the king approve of them getting together? I don't think so. Same thing with Ruto, not to mention a speices difference. Wesz 07:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)]]

When you talk about Link being engaged to Princess Ruto, I guess that he technically was, but I don't know that it was intentional. When he is given the Zora's Sapphire, it is stated that "you have no idea what she is talking about...". Also, when she says that she gave it to the man she wanted to marry in the Water Temple, Link moves backwards like he's shocked. However, this is only speculation.

Regarding Princess Zelda

Actually, if you still have the booklet to A Link to the Past, you can see that what Link's uncle meant to say is "Zelda is your destiny." Unsigned comment from IP 70.34.70.238 06:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
The article mentioned a romantic relationship between Link and Zelda. Now I know there have been many incarnations of Link and Zelda, but I though that in Link to the Past it was revealed that Zelda and Link were cousins. I might be wrong. It's been quite a while since I've played the game. --Ignis33 16:34, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Nope. In the SNES version, the text goes this way...

"Link, you can do it!

Save the Princess...

Zelda is your... ... ... "

And in the GBA version, it goes this way...

Link...you must rescue Princess Zelda. Our people are fated to do so.

But do not fall victim... to fate... Link... I shall always remember... our time...together..."

Ever since the SNES version was released, people have speculated about Link being related to Zelda, but that's all it ever was- speculation. Probably owing to Star Wars allusions. But since the GBA gets rid of this ambiguity, it's generally thought that the ellipsis in the SNES version cuts off the word "Destiny" since the GBA version more or less says it straight out. Fieari 18:00, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, it's assumed to be "destiny" by most. Andre (talk) 20:47, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

The booklet does not make any reference to Link's uncle trying to say "Zelda is your destiny.". Which page does it say? I have the USA one, maybe it is in the japanese version? -- ReyBrujo 18:09, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I never talked about the booklet at all. I'm saying that the SNES version says "Zelda is your..." and the GBA, which was also translated from the same original source, says a lot more and blathers on about fate and such. This suggests strongly that the best possible word to put in the ellipsis would be "destiny". Fieari 22:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I was referring to the first post in this section. Just wanting to clarify there is no such paragraph in the SNES booklet, unless I have missed it (or it is in the japanese version, in example). -- ReyBrujo 01:52, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Trivia

Is winning a GameFAQs poll really noteworthy? Fieari 03:21, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I was wondering the same, particularly in the context of this article. But GameFAQs is a pretty big gaming site, and people seem to keep putting it it. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 16:43, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Cheating is involved. - A Link to the Past (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Link's parents

After anonymous IP 71.50.232.46 changed a paragraph from "No Zelda game mentions any Link's parents at all. Even when a Link has other family, the subject is never addressed." to "The only Zelda game to mention Link's parents in any way is Oracle of Ages for Game Boy Color.", A Link to the Past removed the paragraph as "Not true.". WikidSmaht replaced the original text. A Link to the Past removed it again, making an excellent point in the edit summary: "So, how did he get to Kokiri Village?"[ in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, where the Deku Tree Sprout reveals that a dying Hylian mother stumbled into the forest with her baby, who would grow up to become Link, the Hero of Time]. WikidSmaht re-wrote the paragraph for accuracy and to reflect this. Many comments in the following exchange are copied inwhole or in part from the edit summaries of these changes and ensuing revert war.

So, how did he get to Kokiri Village? - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Good point, but how about making *constructive* edits. Stop taking your odd little grudge towards me out on the articles/talk pages. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 19:30, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it's a grudge. It couldn't be the fact that the statement is just wrong. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Well how else do you explain the utterly disrespectful attitude you display on talk pages and in edit summaries, or your failure to notice that I corrected the paragraph when replacing it last time? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 22:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Um, the fact that he has parents invalidates the statement. Can I put in "No games uses the Boomerang, with the exception of almost every Zelda"? The statement is irrelevant. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Except that the statement isn't "Link doesn't have parents.". It's that no game *names* his parents and only one mentions them( and then just his mother). Practically and stylistically, it explains to someone not familiar with the games( which is who the article is meant to be written for) what the truth is in contrast to the fanon belief– just as there is a similar explanation for the other fanon "fact" above it. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

The reason I cite your apparent grude, which I interpret to be the meaning of the increasingly rude and hostile comments you've directed at me on various talk pages, is that the statement( in the incorrect original form) was there for months and didn't seem to be bothering you or anyone until 71.50.232.46 drew your attention to it following our spat at Talk:The Legend of Zelda series. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Two examples are enough to make the statement irrelevant. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

The second example (commented out) may not even refer to Link, I found it in the text dump and can't figure out the context. A total of 3 sentences in 2 games, all vague references, from a series of 12 massive games, their instruction books, and other offical sources, renders the original statement( "No Zelda game mentions any Link's parents at all."), incorrect, but hardly makes "No Zelda game names Link's parents; aside from fleeting comments about his mother in OoT they are hardly mentioned at all. Even when a Link has other family, the subject is never addressed." incorrect or irrelevant to the topic at hand. And either way, the statement that no game *names* them is indisputable. This marks 3 reverts each, we have 24 change-free hours to settle this. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

It was previously expressed in OoT that his mother sought the refuge of the Great Deku Tree in Kokiri Forest. Whether or not he has adoptive parents in TP is a completely different issue. I don't understand how this is such an issue. Ereinion File:Hiveneo.gif 00:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Huh? That's not the issue in question... No one even mentioned LoZ:TP. I must admit, I'm not sure whether you're confused or just joking. What is or was in question is/was whether the assertion( that Link's parents being named Arn and Medilia is fanon rather than canon) should be followed by the clarifying statement "No Zelda game names Link's parents; aside from fleeting comments about his mother in OoT they are hardly mentioned at all. Even when a Link has other family, the subject is never addressed.". -- WikidSmaht (talk) 00:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

This fact is irrelevant, and does not need mention. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:04, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

It's not irrelevant. It explains the contrast between fanon and canon, as is done with the other statement, the one about Link's origins. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if you're just being belligerent, or asinine. Let me try to help you out. His (Link's) parents, not being named in a game, does NOT mean that they are NOT named elsewhere by some other canon medium, i.e. comics. Just because it hasn't been confirmed by someone "official" doesn't mean it hasn't been refuted either. It just means a place-holder has been set for this particular piece of information that developers could choose to either use, or ignore, at their discretion. Such as in TP he is raised by a family, assumably not his own, although his father may still be alive and thusly could be named Arn. It then would no longer be arcanely defined as "fanon" if this is the case, which has happened before in several fandoms. But, my initial point is, if you're going to complain that it isn't named or backed up in-game, then don't list anything other than what is and move on. Deligate a little bit. Ereinion File:Hiveneo.gif 02:36, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Excuse me, I was the one who inserted the reference to Arn and Medilia in the first place[1], along with the original, incorrect version of the statement in quesion, which is equivalent to the preceding statement that Link's origin in LoZ and AoL was never canonically clarified. If you read the disputed passage in context, you'll see that the Valiant comics are licensed, but no more canon than the TV show with which they share settings and characters. The disputed passage does not assert that Link does not have parents, nor does it assert that they are nameless; it merely states that no game has named them, which is true; and that there is only one fleeting reference to his mother, possibly one unconfirmed one to his father– and neither case gives a name or background information. It is very possible he will have named parents, natural or adoptive, in TP, and the passage will change to reflect that when the game is released or the information becomes publicly available. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 03:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay then. Link's parents' eye color is never stated. Are we going to list that? Or their height? Weight? Age? Health? IQ? Occupation? How are they less important than name? You're desperately grasping for straws with this. You want to have the idea that his parents are mysterious, but we do know the actions of one his his parents, and thusly, their existence is not mysterious, he's not an act of Mary. So, you go for the next best thing, pointing out the fact that they have no name. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't bother stating that their eye color and other trivia are uncertain because there is no codified belief suggesting otherwise. Their is, however, a persisting belief in the fan community, especially among fan-fiction writers, that Link's parents were named Arn and Medilia. I'm not trying to "make them mysterious", when I originally inserted the reference to Arn and Medilia, I contrasted this with confirmed information by saying "No Zelda game mentions any Link's parents at all.". When you pointed out that this is incorrect, I modified the sentence to the more accurate statement "No Zelda game names Link's parents".-- WikidSmaht (talk) 03:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Does that make it any less of a pointless, trivial fact? Lots of people believe lots of things, and I heavily doubt this is much of a popular theory at all. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:45, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Then I'll remove both entries altogether, although I think if you read a lot of Zelda fan-fiction you'd find the beliefs are more prevalent than you realize. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 04:13, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

The Calia content is NOT your property. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Also, it's not 3RR if someone legitimately disagrees and isn't coerced to revert. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

That's true. If someone else revert it without being coerced, 3RR does not apply to him or her. It only applies to us. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 03:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I apologize to all concerned for my inappropriate edit summary on the main article edit at the end of this discussion; however, I do feel the best solution in this case is to leave the section as it is now. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 06:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

A Note regarding my edit

In this edit[[1]] I think TP shouldn't be mentioned, TP didn't exist when Miyamoto said that. - Zero1328 11:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Claim about LTTP yell vs OoT yell

I have removed this statement, added by an anonymous user:

The young Link's yells in Ocarina of Time are identica; to the yells in Link to the Past, further reinforcing the fact that the older Link is not the "usual" Link.

I don't personally recall Link yelling at all in LttP. Even if it's true, I find it sketchy evidence at best of the claim made here. Deco 00:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

He didn't in the original SNES version. He just made small "oof" sounds when hit, but they didn't sound like OoT Young Link. In the GBA version, though, he had the OoT voice. Agent CH 00:44, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Smash Bros. category

Hi. Random question. I thought I'd make a category for Smash Bros. fighters, so I included Link. I would like to inlcude Young Link, too, since the game treats them like seperate characters, but I can't figure out how to make a link so that the category page says "Young Link," too. Right now it just has Link. Any ideas? Kidicarus222 08:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Young Link

a note on Link's personality

Does anyone remember the old LoZ cartoons they used to show in the early '90s? I do. In those cartoons Link is indeed brave, but he is also obnoctious. He is constantly hitting on Zelda. This is in stark contrast to the personality that all the later games try to portray. I think this should be mintioned in the article if it hasn't already.

• From the article: Based loosely on the first game, the series presented Link as a rude, lovesick teenager, an image many find at odds with his silent persona from the video games. Constantly pursuing Zelda and pursued by the fairy princess Spryte, this Link was known to beg kisses from Zelda, and, famously, to burst out "Well excuuuuuse me, Princess!" when fed up with Zelda's attitude.. Phils 23:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

That's just the kiddy cartoon though. I highly doubt anyone considers it canon, and if they did they shouldn't. It was made for kids and therefore keyed for that kind of audience. Eluchil 23:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Link's tomb

Don't know where to bring this up, but here seems to be as good place as any. Correct me if I'm wrong: the article says Link's tomb can be found in Elfland in DoS version of Final Fantasy I, while NES version has Erdrick's tomb. Yet, I seem to recall reading somewhere Link's name specifically appears in all versions of FF1, except for the US NES version - in other words, not limited to DoS in any way. Correct or not? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 02:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I know of no evidence to support or refute this. I'd have to get my hands on the appropriate ROMs and play through to the appropriate point without the benefit of knowing Japanese. :-) Deco 02:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I remember that too. This page is an archive of an issue of the letters column from The Gaming Intelligence Agency. There's some letters that say exactly that. Unfortunately, it's not solid enough to use as a reference, but at least it lets you know you're probably on the right track. --Pagrashtak 03:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Giant's Knife durability

So I just tried it on Master Quest twice and it broke after 8 hits both times. I don't know if it should be changed to 8 or just left as a few but it is definitely not 100. — Ian Moody ^(talk) 12:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

The Giant's Knife has endured eighty hits for me. Would that be considered unusual? —Eternal Equinox | talk 19:57, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I think each hit has some percentage chance of breaking it. Let's just say that it lasts longer than the other knife. And I really think some of these fine details of weapons more properly belongs in the weapons and items article. Deco 23:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Soul Calibur unique weapons

Obviously, Soul Calibur II is the only game in which Link wields the Soul Calibur, but is it worth mentioning that all weapons Link uses in that game come from previous Zelda franchise games EXCEPT for the Armos Blade and Armos Shield? I always thought that was an interesting addition. - Kevingarcia 07:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

It might be interesting to include. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for the nit-picking, but Link never uses Soul Calibur; he and every other character (at least all of them with multiple weapons) uses Soul Edge (Complete), but in the slot where certain characters have Soul Calibur, Link has the Great Fairy's Sword. -Unknownwarrior33 05:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Alternate Ending

Can anyone verify that "If the game is completed in less than three hours an alternate ending implies that Marin still exists, and her wish to fly away as a seagull has been granted." in Link's Awakening is true? JQF 21:51, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

If you beat the game without dying, then after the credit roll when it says The End, Marin flies across the screen, in human form but with wings. That's the only "alternate ending" Link's Awakening has. Agent CH 22:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

You’re right, of course, about the condition. Wasn’t thinking. However, she’s not in human form in the DX version, which would theoretically replace the original as canon. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

HELP-SSBM YOUNG LINK

I need help on Young Link's Target Test. How do I get past the second Target?

H-BOMB 15:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Watch this amazing video of a guy breaking all the targets in 5 seconds. Deco 22:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

(In case the 5 second video did not help) You need to wall jump to the top of the pit. I can't remember if you only need to press left or right to wall jump or if you need to press left+jump and right+jump to do so. 216.238.203.19 06:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Need the jump. Jaxad0127 06:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

HOLY SH*T!!! Sorry, just that video really surprised me.--DarkHero 16:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow. That video was...wow. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.114.108.197 (talk • contribs) .

Caption to Twilight Princess Art

Couldn't a better descriptor be used for Link than "a fierce fighter"? It's true enough, to be sure; but his fierce fighting isn't quite his most distinguishing characteristic. Something to do with his courage might be more appropriate, since he's often associated with the Triforce of Courage.

So change it. Fierce to courageous, perhaps? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed this sentence from Swords and shields

However there is the possibilty that some Links are right-handed,
due to the fact that, in medieval times, it was tradition to hold
the shield in the favored hand.

I removed this sentence, as I'm fairly sure (as a student of history, and occasional dabbler in swordplay) it's not true. FiggyBee 19:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it is true. The reason that in the UK people drive on the right stems back, apparently, to when people travelled about on horses. They would hold the reins in their left hand, and their sword in their right, in order to be able to attack any one they would pass. Zooba 07:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

That may or may not be true, but in that case they fight with their SWORD in their favoured (right) hand, with whatever else (reins, shield, etc) in the other. FiggyBee 12:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

We in the UK drive on the left, but with the driver's seat on the right side of the car. Setokaiba^✌_≝ 13:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed - I meant that the stearing wheel is on the right. Stupid mistake on my part. :/ Zooba 17:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Note: we've just recieved a new partial interview, in which Miyamoto states that Link is left-handed because he's left handed. Which should probably clear up the issue. [2] 68.33.140.175 05:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Whats up with all the abrieviations

In zelda/link related articles there is a lot of abbreviations used such as OoT and TWW. I myself was confused what these meant for quite a while, and though strong fans can pick theseup rather quickly, the abrieviations are annoying and dificult for non fans, or non dedicated fans to pick up. Im sure if any of you use friends/family members to check it out, you will see how hard it is to understand what they mean. thanks. 81.129.157.237 16:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think we should stick with abbreviated subtitles, such as Wind Waker, Link to the Past, and Ocarina of Time. This is what Brittanica would do. Deco 22:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

That’s fine, but in this usage context, we shouldn’t leave off the initial articles. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Weasel words

"The GameCube version of Soul Calibur II is said to have been more popular than its PlayStation 2 and Xbox counterparts; many believe that this was due to Link's presence, since the GCN did not have the highest market share of its generation in general, nor among fighting-game fans, judging from sales of other multiplatform titles"

Very speculative sentence with not even a refernce to back it up. Weasel words all over. Someone should change it, and when re-worded provide a relevant reference to back the point up. Or pereferably, delete it,. Really a weasel word tag should go up in this section, but i'm sure it will be rectified soon. Thanks.

I'm adding a weasel words tag to this section, its clearly misguiding and does not cite a reference to back its point. Davinche 16:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The aforementioned text has been taken out of the SCII section, and there's nothing else misleading about the article, so I'm removing the tag. -Thores 04:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I have reinstated a tweaked version of the sales data, with source. It now reads:

"The GameCube version of Soul Calibur II was more popular than its PlayStation 2 and Xbox counterparts (copies sold through December 2003: 500,685 vs. 447,138 and 320,991 respectively); many attribte this to Link’s inclusion as a GameCube-exclusive character. (source: NPD, see http://cube.ign.com/articles/475/475106p1.html)"

Please feel free to reformat the source citation to make it Wikipedia-friendly. -R

As long as it has some viable proof to back it uo, then it's okay.75.10.103.144

cameo appearances

The list of Link's cameo appearances seems to be identical to the list presented in The_Legend_of_Zelda_series#References_in_other_games save for the Animal Crossing mention. Axem Titanium 16:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason two closely related articles can’t have some of the same information? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 01:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. Creates a maintenance problem. I suggest that The_Legend_of_Zelda_series#References_in_other_games link to this article's section and add any references to TLoZ that aren't refs to Link (are there any?) Alternatively, we can create a template that is transcluded into both pages. Deco 22:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Xandir/Link comparison

Statements that Xandir from Drawn Together is apparently a parody on Link have been added to and later removed from the article countless times. I've seen a single episode of the (absolutely unbearable) show, and I must confess that Xandir does indeed share a number of common traits with Link. As an avid player of the series however, I can understand that some would prefer not to see the effeminate and simple-minded Xandir compared to Link ;), but for the sake of NPOV, we must admit that many people view Xandir as a parody of Link. So, if someone can dig up an acceptable source (show review likening Xandir to Link, for example), I'd say we can keep it in the article. What do others think? Phils 17:30, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

This statement seems ludicrous to me. I've seen several episodes of DT and played through nearly every Zelda game and it's evident that Xandir is intended to parody D&D-style RPG characters, not Link. Pointy ears are a characteristic element of fictional elves. Without a more persuasive comparison I would strongly suggest eliding such an impulsive comparison. But if you can dig up a reputable source I'd be okay with it. Deco 20:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I also don't see a true comparison between the two characters. There are virtually no similarities in appearance and personality. The only visual similarity that I can see are the pointy ears, and there are countless fictional characters that have pointy ears. --Stardust6000 23:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh come on, Xandir looks everything like Link. Here are some examples: He has elf ears, he has beach blonde hair, he is left-handed, he has blue eyes, his girlfriend looks alot like Princess Zelda, he wears green, he wears boots, he has a flute that transports him to other locations (like in the original Legend of Zelda) and he mentions the 'Quad-Forces'. The evidence is overwhelming, the Wikipedia page on Xandir even says he is a parody of Link.

I suppose that is your personal opinion. Besides the color green there is no similarity in their clothes at all. Link's hair is also not always blonde and his eyes are not always blue. In Twilight Princess his hair seems to be more of a brownish color. The flute argument also doesn't work, because Mario has also used the flute that summons a transporting tornado. Overall, it appears that this character is more a parody of many video game heros rather than just Link. I am going to add this to the article.Stardust6000 01:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

While I thought of Link when I first saw that character, I relate nearly everything to video games, especially The Legend of Zelda. I really don't see any similarity between the characters other than the elf ears, although if you can give a reference for the "Quad-Forces" thing that might make a difference. As a side note, I'm pretty sure (though not positive) one Wikipedia article shouldn't be used as verification for another, because if the first one had verification for the fact then that same verification could be used for the second article, and if not, it's not a good source anyway. -Unknownwarrior33 05:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the two, some people may see lots of similarities and others will see none. But to put in the article that they look similar is completley opinion, which dosen't belong on Wikipedia. Besides, Legolas from lord of the rings is an elf character who might resemble Link as well, but obviously that won't be stated. My point is that we can't gp around stating who we think Link may look like 'cause it has no bearing.

Wikipedia:Reliable sources specifically talks about not using WP as a source. Deco 23:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Link/links in German

I've noticed a few edits where contributors change link to links in the trivia section about the German word. Both links (adverb) and link (adjective) exist in German, so neither is wrong. Just to clear things up. Phils 09:40, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Wind Waker Lineage

(Note: I have also posted this in the Princess Zelda comments section, as the issue is also mentioned there.)

I might be alone in this, but I would like to dispute the call on Link's lineage in The Wind Waker. I personally feel that the game (as have some games before it) is playing off the idea that much of what was known about the Hero has been lost, and that the King was depending purely on legend. (Triumph Forks anyone?)

Some stuff to note:

1. "Link to the Past" appears to set the stage for all Links being of the same bloodline. At the same time, they are revered as if they were a single, returning entity. (Think something along the lines of the second coming of Christ....only in this case, we have the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc...)

2. Outset island appears to have many traditions specifically involving the Hero of Time, or possible successors. They are also the only remaining "culture" that appears to believe in the triforce. With this in mind, it is not too hard to believe that the family shield did indeed belong to a past Link.

3. The King's information and knowledge is not infallible, and this is made freakishly clear by the story itself. He has, on occasion, sent Link unknowingly into unnecessary danger, due to lack of information, or misinformation.

It is very obvious, due to the King's interactions with the assorted deities of the ocean, that he was sent on a mission to find the Hero of Time himself. Obviously, the guy is thousands of years dead, and if Link to the Past's idea of a "returning entity of a single bloodline" is true, then no Link was alive during the King's time either. So he picked the next-best thing. An extremely brave kid floating in the ocean. He found the next Hero by pure coincidence.

My high school literature teachers would have called it dramatic irony. The fact that the viewer/player/reader knows something that a main character does not.

For the record, I find it odd that some fans take it for granted that Link is a descendant, and that others take it for granted that he is not.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Princess_Zelda"

The king also says that the hero of winds does not descend from the hero of time. Jaxad0127 17:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

The hero's sheild is his family sheild...

OOT/MM Link uses the hero's sheild in majoras mask...

There.. realated? Yes. Wesz 08:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

1. You're basing that on a game that takes place far from Hyrule. No one knows whether that Link ever returned (Although signs point to no.)
2. The shields look completely different.
3. Different items with the same name have existed before. For example, MM's Hookshot and OoT's, or the LA boomerang and the WW boomerang. They cannot possibly be the same item.

I think that rather dents your point. Setokaiba^✌_≝ 12:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Not really. This actually takes place in (above) Hyrule. The gods flooded the area (to hide the Triforce, I think), and that's why Hyrule Castle, Hyrule, and Ganon's tower are all underwater. I think that the best places to look for information is in the opening video and Ganondorf's speech(es) at the end. — SheeEttin {T/C} 19:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I was actually referring to MM in 1. Setokaiba^✌_≝ 19:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

The Hero's Shield was only "in" The Wind Waker Link's family, as a family heirloom, but it never directly states the Hero of Time was of the same bloodline as the Hero of Winds - the statement that an object is in your family's posession does not meet the criteria for causality - There is time order and correlation, but you do not prove non-spurriousness. There are other explanations for why the shield is in their family - it could have been a gift, they could have found it and kept it. Then again, this statement also does not prove the Hero of Winds is not related to the Hero of Time. In both versions of A Link to the past (1992,2002), the Maiden says Link is perhaps the "last of the bloodline" of the Knights of Hyrule from the Imprisoning War. If the Imprisoning War was Ocarina of Time, and it is proven Link was "a Knight of Hyrule" fighting in that war, then you never know...all the Links could be related, but we have no conclusive evidence that the Hero of Time or the Hero of Winds are related one way or another. --TSA 18:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

True as that may be, I think enough people believe there's enough of an implication that it's at least worth mentioning as a possibility. If nothing else we should try to find some consensus. -Unknownwarrior33 05:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hundred or hundreds of years

I'll find it somewhere these days, but in a later interview, Aonuma commented on it that it was hundreds instead of hundred. Besides, it also makes sense, since all that stuff in the intro of The Wind Waker could have never happened in a few decades (remember TP also fits in ebtween, which already takes place decades after Oot) JackSparrow Ninja 21:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, as it stands, the article cannot state a definate fact like that without a source. If you do find the interview, and it is in Japanese somewhere, that would clarify the issue. As far as I know, however, it has been a bone of contention among fans for several years now, and I would have thought that I would have heard about this before now, if it existed. Any move we make before getting a source must count as speculation, however. Setokaiba^✌_≝ 21:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I remember that it's been restated indeed. But I think when something is common sense, it is beyond speculation. He has got a point that there is no way that hundred years can be correct. I'll look for it as well. Hyrule 21:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Note that the japanese language has no plural. The same word is used for both "One hundred" and "Hundreds". So a translator hearing the word could translate it either way, even though it only means one of the two. Fieari 23:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

My point exactly. Setokaiba^✌_≝ 09:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

But there's still the "one" in that phrase. Was it added by the translators, or was it in the original Japanese? Jaxad0127 16:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The only way to know that is to find a transcription of the interview untranslated. Since I've never seen one, and don't know where to look, so unless someone else has any ideas, this is as far as we can go. Setokaiba^✌_≝ 17:15, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The interview with Eiji Aonuma and Shigeru Miyamoto was done at Nintendo of America, Inc. in October of 2002, and was translated on-the-fly by Bill Trinen, an NOA localizer and personal translator for NCL VIPs while in North America. There is no audio record of the interview, and there was no transcription made public, so the English-only interview, still online at Zelda.com (TWW area), is the only thing we have. However, the in-game text of The Wind Waker clearly states "hundreds" of years after the flood (King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule - The Wind Waker - 2003) that sank Hyrule, and that flood takes place after Ocarina of Time. It would be great to have the interview in Japanese, but in-game materials solved this issue. --TSA 18:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Magic

I've said this in some other Link thing, but I think they got combined. I think there should be descriptions of the magic attacks you can do in all games, not just Ocarina of Time which is the only thing on the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.150.51.151 (talk • contribs) .

Images: Breach of fair use rules

Currently, 18 (!) - mostly decorative (!) - images of the same company are used under a fair use rationale. This is a breach of the fair use rules. See: WP:FUC: #3: "The amount of copyrighted work used should be as little as possible. (...) Do not use multiple images (...) if one will serve the purpose adequately." We can all agree (I think) that these 18 images are not "as little as possible". Moreover, most images mostly serve a decorative purpose as they are not necessary or the necessity could be removed by altering/improving the text. See: WP:FUC: #8: "The material must contribute significantly to the article (...) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose." Perhaps a "purely decorative purpose" is exaggerated, but most images do not contribute significantly. I would recommend to trim the number of images down to 2 or 3. Sijo Ripa 00:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think many of these images serve an illustrative, not decorative, purpose. They are used to show the reader what many aspects of the character are like and do so in a concise way, impossible to render with words. They all contribute to the article and emphasize the point that Link has had many different incarnations over the years, even without considering the chronology. Also, please realize that many of the images currently on the page were also on the page when this article became a featured article (15 images). Axem Titanium 04:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The standards of a FA have risen substantially over the years, which means that this article should keep up with the new standards. (Just like in-line citations are needed now, while many old articles didn't have them). Sijo Ripa 08:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

You seem to have some sort of vendetta against Fair Use images. Personally, I'd rather see an expansion of fair use, rather than a contraction. There are limits on copyright for a reason, and those limits keep getting pushed farther out by copyright holders, beyond where it should go. Fieari 03:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree the number of images on this article could and should be reduced. However, I think people will probably keep adding images as we remove them. Phils 03:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

A small, but logical edit

"Although the GameCube had the smallest market share, the GCN version of Soul Calibur II..."

The GameCube's market share has nothing to do with the character Link or the game Soul Calibur II. Also, The GameCube, Xbox, and PlayStation 2 are still being sold, so using the past tense regarding market share is incorrect. I am editing this sentence back to its previously neutral, correct state. -R —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.86.93.196 (talk • contribs) .

I reverted your edits. The paragraph makes much more sense with it. And the past tense refers to when the game was still being made/sold. Jaxad0127 23:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I think this paragraph contains quite a bit of speculation. Nobody has any idea why Soul Calibur for GCN sold more units. For all we know it was just the lack of good fighting games on that platform. Deco 01:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

First off, I agree with the revert because the Gamecube's low market share is what makes the fact about it having the best-selling version of SC2 worth mentioning. Second, The importance of stating sources doesn't necessarily oppose the inclusion of things that can't logically be verified at all (we can't ask every single person who bought the game why they chose the version they did). We can't measure the sun either, but that doesn't mean we should take out estimated figures of its size. I'll bet there are enough rationalizations out there in various reputable gaming websites and magazines to warrant the inclusion of the information. I agree that there need to be sources, but that doesn't always mean indisputable proof. As long as it remains clear that such proof doesn't exist (I personally think the current version does it well), I support its inclusion. -Unknownwarrior33 05:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Young Link?

Just a heads up. Axem Titanium 21:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Good idea JackSparrow Ninja 05:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

This was already discussed last year and we decided to merge. I just redirected Young Link here. All the relevant info is in this article. Phils 20:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone apparently didn't get the memo and changed it on the 10th. I reverted it to the last redirect version, but I can't say how long that will last. -Unknownwarrior33 05:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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