Talk:List of Baroque composers

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Mozart

i was just wondering, wasn't mozart a baroque composer, i mean if you look at his music he's made there's so much counterpoint so much elaboration i'd think he'd be part of this era but he wasn't on the list.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is a Classical music era composer. Makemi 23:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List order

I see why this list is broken into different periods within the Baroque period, but I question the wisdom of putting it in DoB order, since for some many of these composers the DoB is either not specific or disputed between sources. I would propose an alphabetical listing within periods for ease of use. I'll wait a few days and see if there are any disputes, then do it. (BTW if there's already some long policy discussion about this I've missed, feel free to point me there.) Makemi 23:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like an alphabetical list by last name would be helpful. That could possibly still be under the big timeline constraints (Early, Late, ...). --Amazzing5 16:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An alpha listing might be helpful -- in addition -- but what I found unhelpful was bars showing for a composer for years when I know they were not composing -- when they were children. Overall it gives a peculiar perception as to who was actually contributing in a given year. Piano non troppo (talk) 16:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a conflict between the Wiki page on Marc-Antoine Charpentier (1643 - 1704) and the timeline.Turtlens (talk) 20:26, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Order?

I see how the composers are broken down into periods within the different time periods, but should we alphabeticaly order the names instead of by date?? Should we consider the ordering of all composers in all the different periods? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuclearmound (talk • contribs)

By nationality

With the current layout, this list is almost useless. I think the composers should be firstly ordered by nationality, and then, under each nationality, by period - just like in the List of Renaissance composers.Nuno Raimundo (talk) 14:37, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about using different colors for different countries? Piano non troppo (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date

I think that we should keep the current listing since there are so many composers in the Baroque period. People can find the composers they want the quickest way through this method since almost each composer's name on a score has the composer's birth and death date.I am a violinist (talk) 13:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mondonville?

I came to WP this time to see where Mondonville fits re baroque->classical -- but not much luck: He's in the baroque WP category but it's not mentioned in his article and he's not on the sub-period lists. If anyone knows more, i and others would appreciate something more detailed being added. (Posted to his article and Talk:List_of_Baroque_composers and Talk:List_of_Classical_era_composers.) "alyosha" (talk) 20:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mondonville is now on the Baroque list in the 'transitional' section. The mid eighteenth century was a time of considerable change in musical styles, and Mondonville's style – like many of his contemporaries – evolved. You could categorize him as late Baroque, French Rococo or Galante; personally I don't think I would describe his style as Classical, but others might disagree. There will be a number of composers in this era who you could justify being on both the Baroque era and Classical era lists. (RT) (talk) 17:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

problem with links

there is a serious problem —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.106.243 (talk) 04:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References?

Without references for these classifications, I can only assume these are the opinions of the editors themselves. This violates WP policy.

William Boyce seems to be miscategorized. His Symphonies, his best-known works, are pure Baroque masterpieces.

David Spector (talk) 20:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bonaventura Rubino

What about Bonaventura Rubino? He is of the same generation as L. Rossi, GF Sances, Carissimi, Cavalli et al. Why isn't he mentioned in the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.40.76 (talk) 11:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

added as of 10 June 2012--FeanorStar7 (talk) 07:17, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comprehensive or selective list?

There is really no indication whether the list is supposed to be comprehensive or selective... any ideas helpful...--FeanorStar7 (talk) 07:17, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The text at the start of each section is something like: "Composers of the ... era include the following figures...". "Include" indicates that the list is not complete (if that's what you are referring to by "comprehensive"). GFHandel ♬ 07:34, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, yes, this answers my question. Also, I would be interested in your opinion about using date versus alphabetical listing within the subsections. I agree with previous comments made on this talk page that a straight alpha listing might be more helpful than the present system, which is too dependent on a rigid conception of dates; a lot of resorting would be in order anyway... your thoughts appreciated.--FeanorStar7 (talk) 07:46, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If it were up to me, I'd put the information in a sortable table—with (any or all) columns: Name, Country, Born, Died, Notes. GFHandel ♬ 08:34, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Massimiliano Neri

Here is the reference [1]. --Yoavd (talk) 06:33, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Gesualdo

Carlo Gesualdo, 1566-1613 ; in the 'Early Baroque Era Composers' section, it's 1560-1613 : which is correct ?
--Alf.68 18:10, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Duplicates

I removed some duplicates and fixed some dates. Please check the changes.

I guess Pierre Danican Philidor (1647-1730) is a duplicate with wrong dates. There is one with - I guess - the correct ones (1681-) I have not corrected this. There is an Anne ... Philidor with the same birth year with different month as can be seen in French Wikipedia. (And many other Philidors.)

- Harp (talk) 21:02, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Double column list

I don't think the current format is very readable. Can we not put them into two columns and group them into more periods? Maybe a period of length 25 years? For example like this:

1600 - 1625 births

A B

1625 - 1650 births

C D

Where A,B,C,D are columns and the last composer on column A comes before the first person on column B.--Tensorproduct (talk) 10:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tabulation

I have changed the list to a sortable table, similar to that used in List of medieval composers. Agrestis (talk) 09:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ranking Order

I have added a column for 'ranking' to draw attention to the most important composers. Needless to say this is highly subjective. I used the lists on Template:Baroque music as a starting point, but doubtless the finer points of who should or should not be highlighted in this way will cause much discussion amongst those with greater knowledge than I.

As a simple way to organise the sorting I used the number of recordings available for that composer on [Presto Music]. Star ratings were then assigned on the simple divisions:

less than 100 recordings
between 100 and 1,000 recordings
over 1,000 recordings

Agrestis (talk) 10:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The number of recordings is a good indication of how significantly the composer is favoured by the musical community as a whole. If musicians go to the effort to record and release that piece then they must consider it worthwhile. Collectively they are thus passing judgement. This is therefore along the lines of an opinion poll of the global musical community, which is about as close as we can get to an objective answer to the question 'which composers are best?'. It also has the advantage of being verifiable and easily available.

It is worthwhile to have these ratings because it draws attention to those composers for readers of the list. Not every reader is an experienced musician or will know much about classical music so they may have no idea who the important composers in that era are. These lists have become very long and are overwhelming. Without the rating column they are really only of interest to those who care about articles on very minor composers. With the rating column they become of use to the general reader. Agrestis (talk) 05:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]