Talk:Goblet drum

Goblet drum move

I renamed the article to 'Goblet drum' because of all the choices, its the most neutral. No one culture has the 'real' or 'authentic' goblet drum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnkarp (talk • contribs) 07:03, 4 September 2004 (UTC)

The link to Jas's Middle Eastern Rhythms FAQ belongs on the dumbek rhythms page. And it's already on there. So this new link should be removed. Gecko 18:21, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

grtngs Czs

Hello folks... the article states "Nowhere outside the United States is the drum called Dumbek or Doumbeck" and then continues with "Doumbek/Doumbeg (Armenian)" I'm in a quandary as how to edit this mistake out. Suggestions?

merge

Should this article be merged with tonbak ? Hakluyt bean 03:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Should not be merged with tonbak

The various goblet drums are quite distinct. Go to YouTube and watch Iranian tonbak players vs. Egyptian or Turkish doumbek players. It's totally different. Wikipedia doesn't yet have enough info on these subjects, but combining them will make it worse. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.164.10.43 (talk) 06:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

I agree that this should not be combined with tonback. Although their are some slight differences in the design of the different culture's drums. It seems that it is more a difference in the style of the players rather than a difference in the design of the drums themselves, that separates the different cultures. Thus they should remain grouped under "Goblet Drums" because that is what they all are; maybe a series an article about specific styles could be made as well, to distinguish these differences.

Merge

• Merge into Goblet drum. Even within a single nation such as Egypt or Lebanon there are various types of goblet drum, with different names and constructions. Badagnani (talk) 18:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

PLease stop deleting the references from the Goblet drumming page bdb484.

Hi there bdb484. Can you please tell me why you insist on removing the references from the goblet drumming page? I dont understand your logic. Please communicate prior to removing them again. They are 'references' to help people learn more about the drum. There was alot of very useful links there before you deleted them all for some reason. PLease just communicate. pacerman265 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacerman265 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC−4)

As I explained in my edit summaries, the links were deleted because they did not meet the Wikipedia's criteria for external links; this is why I used WP:LINKFARM in my edit summary for each of those edits. If you're looking for more specific reasons, here they are.

• Fingers of Fury was deleted because:

1. The link is mainly intended to promote a website (WP:ELNO #4);
2. The website exists primarily to sell a product (WP:ELNO #5); and
3. The link requires payment or registration to view the relevant content. (WP:ELNO #6).

• Percussion-net was deleted because:

1. The link is mainly intended to promote a website (WP:ELNO #4);
2. The link directs to a social networking site and its forum or discussion group (WP:ELNO #10);
3. The link requires payment or registration to view the relevant content (WP:ELNO #6).
4. The link steers the user to a site that is only indirectly related to the article subject (WP:ELNO #13);

• Darbuka on Youtube was deleted because:

1. The link does not provide a unique resource beyond what a featured article would provide (WP:ELNO #1);
2. The link requires external applications to view the relevant content (WP:ELNO #8);
3. The link directs to a list of search results (WP:ELNO #9);

• Movie lessons was deleted because:

1. The link does not provide a unique resource beyond what a featured article would provide (WP:ELNO #1);
2. The link is mainly intended to promote a website (WP:ELNO #4);
3. The website exists primarily to sell a product (WP:ELNO #5); and
4. The link requires external applications to view the relevant content (WP:ELNO #8);
5. The link steers the user to a site that is only indirectly related to the article subject (WP:ELNO #13);

Beyond this, it should also be noted that you should not be adding links to your own content, such as Fingers of Fury. This violates Wikipedia's policy on spamming and conflicts of interest. Either violation is apt to get you blocked. — Bdb484 (talk) 15:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

List of translations

It does not appear that having a list of translations is a constructive addition to the English-language project. Such lists are very uncommon, because they add little to the article and only invite new additions that would make the page unwieldy.

In addition, not even one of the translations appears to be verifiable. I intend to take the list down if these issues are not addressed within the week. — Bdb484 (talk) 18:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

The names (many of them quite well known and documented, and some discrete types with their own WP articles) are absolutely fundamental and basic to the article. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the sources in this literature. They do not make the page "unwieldy" in any way, and editing in a hyperaggressive and threatening manner is not a way to productively build our encyclopedia or work with others. Badagnani (talk) 19:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll admit to being unfamiliar with the sources in this literature, but I'd say it's a safe bet that the vast majority of visitors to this page are equally unfamiliar; they wouldn't be coming here to learn about the goblet drum otherwise. If you have more information and better access to relevant sources, I hope you'll compile the necessary references and insert inline citations.

If you're going to go to such lengths, though, it may be worthwhile to make some effort to establish that the list of translations is worth including, rather than simply asserting that it is "fundamental," "basic" or "absolutely essential." Otherwise, I still intend to remove the list as unencyclopedic.

As a final note, I would mention that I am well aware of your modus operandi in disputes such as the one that you appear to be looking for right now, and I would remind you that such behavior has not served you well in the past. — Bdb484 (talk) 20:15, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Alternative local names may be mentioned per Wikipedia:Lead section#Alternative names, especially if they are incoming redirects (from mergers or otherwise). -- Quiddity (talk) 03:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Quiddity, for this information. Let's keep the alternative local names, then, which are truly central to a discussion of this subject. Badagnani (talk) 04:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm.

A somewhat related thread at Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#WP:NOTDICDEF.

I do agree that the solution/consensus is very unclear. It would be strange (overwhelming, and unhelpful) to have a list of 250 translations of the word "spoon" in the spoon article. However some of the translations at Mars#In_culture are clearly 'encyclopedic', and Vodka clearly needs local/original names prominently.

This needs wider (and calm) discussion, with some examples of the various possible situations. (but not here). I suggest asking for advice at the languages wikiproject, perhaps. -- Quiddity (talk) 21:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Rendering of first line of Names section

The first line of the "Names" section is rendering as "* Iran (Persian) - tombak, tonbak (تُمبَک ,تنبک ,دمبک ,دنبک ,تمبک) or zarb (ضَرب or ضَرب) [1]" in both Internet Explorer and Firefox. Any idea how to fix it? --Ronz (talk) 00:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix! I don't think the foreign spelling was needed anyway, especially when provided in the linked articles and sources. --Ronz (talk) 00:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Lead

I changed the lead from listing the countries and regions primarily associated with the goblet drum to a more generic notation that those countries are in the vicinity of the Arabian peninsula. The change was reverted (not mentioning any names), so I figured I'd go ahead and explain why.

In addition to this recent edit, there seems to be an ongoing attempt by editors to insert their preferred cultures into the list and then push them to the top. This has been going on for no less than three and a half years, as you can see from the following edits: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], and [21].

Of course, this is only a sampling from the most recent set of edits in the page history. I'm not sure how much further back this goes, but I don't really doubt that it's been going for some time.

This long-term, multiparty edit war presents us with a few options. First, we can can change the wording to something more generic and inclusive that is likely to be more stable. Alternatively, we could delete the entire sentence, as it appears to be WP:OR anyway. Your thoughts? — Bdb484 (talk) 00:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

General classification

Goblet drums: A)Darbouka or Doumbek B)Tonbak C)Djembe D)Other --Opus88888 (talk) 18:07, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't be titled 'goblet drum'

calling this page 'goblet drum' is not very helpful. For starters, there are other kinds of goblet drum which are not darbuka, as mentioned above. Darbuka is the most widely accepted name for this very popular middle eastern drum, and should be the one that is used — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amphibio (talk • contribs) 14:20, 10 June 2012‎

anyone care to respond to this? djembe is a goblet drum. This, as a page for darbuka, makes no sense whatsoever.... Amphibio (talk) 22:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

According to Djembe, a djembe is a 'type' of goblet drum. See also Category:Goblet-shaped drums. Does that clarify what needs to be fixed or changed?

There was a large quantity of material before, that seems to have been mass-deleted; I'll replace some of that now, which might help. (But not the copyvio parts). -- Quiddity (talk) 02:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The problem with this article is that it's called Goblet drum, but then talks pretty much exclusively about the Darabuka. In other words, the name of the article should be Darabuka instead. An article titled "Goblet drum" should talk about the entire class of goblet drums, because there are many drums with this shape, all of which are goblet drums. --MichiHenning (talk) 21:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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Video of Lebanese child playing Goblet Drum (Drbukh)

Hi, I am a volunteer with the Global Lives Project. A video of a Lebanese child playing the Drbukh or Goblet Drum might be helpful here to convey the rhythmic sound of the instrument? The video is a good for the people who visit the Drum page and want to learn more about the Goblet Drum. The video can be found here and a shorter video of approximately 30 seconds will be uploaded later. Indu Murali (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Interwikis

Please put the interwikis back. There should be over 20 of them. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Someone has removed the Arabic-language interwiki again. Is anyone monitoring this article? Removing the Arabic interwiki from this article (let alone repeatedly in an effort to make a WP:Point creates an embarrassing situation for our project. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 06:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Someone left the 26 interwikis at Darbuka, which is a redirect page! Please take care of this promptly. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 06:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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Goblet drum

Bdbrorhr 86.1.219.32 (talk) 19:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Split?

The concept of a goblet drum (an entire family of drums) and the darabuka or doumbek (two individual instrument) are two different ones. There's easily enough content to support both pages, so I am wondering if this oddly formed page needs to be split. We do not have a page for simply "high clarinets", for example. Why? I Ask (talk) 04:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)