Talk:Kobudō

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Not moved, 19 October 2019, from Kobudō to Ko-budō, see discussion.

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I believe the farm implement story is widely regarded as a myth. This from the Okinawan weapon page:

There is a popular tale that the weapons were developed due to restrictions placed upon the peasants that meant they could not carry arms. As a result, it is said, they were defenceless and developed a fighting system around their traditional farming implements. However, modern martial arts scholars have been unable to find historical backing for this story. It is true that Okinawans, under the rule of foreign powers, were prohibited from carrying weapons or practicing with them in public. But the weapons-based fighting that they secretly practiced -- and the types of weapons they practiced with -- had strong Chinese roots, and examples of similar weapons have been found in China, pre-dating the Okinawa adaptations.

Legends within the kobudo tradition itself agree with the Chinese origin theory. For example, the art of tonfa (or tong fa, meaning "handle" -- in Chinese, referred to as "iron ruler") is said to have been brought to Okinawa by a Chinese master who met his match in Matsu Higa and his bo. Matsu Higa so impressed the master of these handle-like weapons that they agreed to teach each other, and kobudo practitioners preserved their use thereafter.

The somewhat prevalent, romantic notion of fishermen and peasants taking arms against samurai and pirates is highly doubtful, of course. All kobudo masters that we know of came from samurai or privileged backgrounds.

However, just because the weapons arts of traditional kobudo probably had their origins in China doesn't preclude the possibility that farming and fishing implements were retrofitted for use as weapons. Okinawa played host to a near constant succession of occupations by cultures more or less uncaring for the concerns of the natives, in which metal weaponry was confiscated on at least three separate occasions (as much to suppress insurrection as to shore up the rulers' reserves in the face of chronic metal shortage). While there may be little truth the notion that the use of kobudo weaponry successfully protected the islands from samurai and pirates, there is evidence enough of internal violence being committed and defended against using these implements.

Venix 22:20, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merge Kobudo into Koryu

I have proposed a merger of the existing Kobudo article into the Koryu article. In my personal opinion the Kobudo article is reduntant since Kobudo and Koryu differs little from each other and what little information contained in the former can easily be squeezed in as a paragraph in Koryu together with an clarification on the Kobudo/Koryu differences. Please note, I'm not talking about Okinawan kobudo, (with karate, bojutsu, tonfa and so on), which already has an excellent article. Any comments? Fred26 08:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

agree - I think moving the content and turning it into a disambiguation page would be the best option as finding this while looking for Okinawan kobudo is quiet likely. --Nate1481 16:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well so far no disagreements on either here or on the Talk:Koryu where I made the same inquiry. I'll leave the issue open for a few more days to be safe though. Fred26 12:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete

Merger complete, kobudo is now a disambig-page. All the edit-history is preserved here. Fred26 10:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kobujutsu

Kobujutsu redirects here. What does it mean?--78.51.36.3 (talk) 08:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 October 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:COMMONNAME in English language. comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 17:42, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kobudō → Ko-budō – This should be analogous naming format like Ko-ryū. Gryffindor (talk) 21:37, 12 October 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Sceptre (talk) 23:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:42, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting this for a second time for more input from editors well-versed in this subject area. If this page move is approved, what about the category title, and the titles of other members of the category "Kobudo"? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:42, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If anything, this article should be moved to kobudo without any macrons or hyphens. "Kobudo" is much more common in the English language (quick google search has 2,000,000 results) than "kobudō" (45,800 results) or "ko-budō" (204 results), so the usage should be kobudo as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#Determining common usage. Macronned vs non-macronned forms is one situation of article titles where the individual word's most common usage in the English language should be prioritized over standardization of other related articles. If anything, more articles of terms commonly used in English should be moved to the non-macronned forms. --Scott Alter (talk) 13:41, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Are there any sources in English that list it under the spelling? Ideally we should follow WP:COMMONNAME. lullabying (talk) 21:08, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, though support moving to Kobudo per argument from Scottalter. I also think we should generally avoid hyphens as they can make the article harder to find since most English-speaking people don't expect hyphens in a single word. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:41, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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