Talk:List of Canadian historians

First Names

Could we be consistent with the first names? For example, Jack Saywell is listed as J.T. Saywell, but Jack Granatstein is not listed as J.L. Granatstein, the name under which he published all his work. I would suggest that we should prefer the name they used when publishing. Does anyone disagree? HistoryBA 20:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Conrad Black

Is Conrad Black really an historian? Or is there another Conrad Black? Adam Bishop 21:23, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

This is a list of Canadian historians and, aside from a few notable popular historians, should be confined to legitimate academic historians. Black is not a historian. Kscheffler 00:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Why not? HistoryBA 01:41, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Black is a historian, holding an MA in the subject and writing substantial biographies of Maurice Duplessis, Franklin Roosevlet and Richard Nixon. Lafarge Dodger 22:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Having an MA and writing a few biographies does not make you a historian. It makes you popular non-fiction writer. Black should be removed. So should Berton, as his popular history distorts Canada's collective understanding of its past. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.11.64.67 (talk) 12:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Berton may be a windbag, but not to the same degree as Black, and without the intellectual pretensions; he's also most noted as a writer of popular history. And "legitimate" historians like Jean Barman regularly distort or misinterpret history, too; it's not even a question of degree, but of prevailing prejudices; I'd be hard put to say that Pierre Berton is not an historian, given his public profile as such and the volume of works he's produced. Barry Broadfoot, too, distorts and somewhat softsoaps the 1930s in his books, but is he a "popular non-fiction writer", too? Black is a pompous ass; Berton an eyewitness and also someone who's spent time in the field gathering accounts, or researching them; that's a big difference and it's not fair to compare Black and Berton in the way you just have.Skookum1 (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Scholars routinely cite Black and include his Duplessis bio in their recommended reading (eg Linteau Quebec Since 1930; McRoberts Quebec; Fay, A history of Canadian Catholics; Gwyn, The northern magus: Pierre Trudeau and Canadians‎ and Canada, 1900-1945‎ by Robert Bothwell, Ian Drummond, and John English. Also Current biography yearbook, Volume 53‎ - Page 68 reports the Duplessis book got "generally favorable reviews." Rjensen (talk) 04:26, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Canadian Historians or Historians of Canada?

Can we specify if these are people (from anywhere) who study canada, or people from Canada who study history? -- TheMightyQuill 12:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I came here to ask that exact-same question. Hubert Howe Bancroft was an American yet his work on BC is "core material" in BC history; there are other examples, including come to think of if Marius Barbeau, Franz Boas etc (ethnographers being a kind of historian); wouldn't List of historians of Canada be more inclusive?Skookum1 (talk) 16:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Dead link Cleanup

Dead Links should be removed, if you wrote this article please add full articles for each new link, don't just list names where no information exists and please put dates with the names. Also there is a controversy concerning books published and publishers, so if possible add the ISBN to all books and add publishers names to books listed Thanks WayneRay 13:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

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Deletion?

This article has some problems i see that exist in a number of lists. the header is vague, and refers to the procedure for adding names, which i strongly believe should not be in the article itself. there are tags for dynamic lists and tags for the discussion page, as well as hidden comments which do this better. a few redlinks should be allowed if its likely to be added, and should have some indication of notability. "john smith. author of "the least known yet vitally important history of canada". i know people use lists as a parallel method of searching WP, next to the categories. for me, a list should provide something more than the category. so this list should have, say the authors birthdate, or area of speciality, or name of notable book, all of which are easily gotten from the articles on the authors. i also agree that the header needs to say if this is historians of canadian descent, or people writing on the history of canada. needless to say, this list needs to include all the names in the category of the same subject. but i see little value in this list over the category, so im not going to implement the above changes unless consensus is to keep. then i will. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I created this list way back in the day, before we had categories or anything. In its current form I don't think this page is very useful. This page could be helpful if it had some annotations, for instance listing the specific area of study for each historian. - SimonP (talk) 02:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

i agree, but i may not get to this with any urgency. i will do some tagging.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

recent tags

yep. i agree with all of them. hopefully someone will help to fix those, as the article was already nominated for deletion and (appropriately) allowed to stay. each author needs to have at least one fact pulled from their article. i think a major book, or their speciality. also, if the list is all authors of canadian history (which i think they are, but i havent checked) then the intro can include that. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)