Talk:K-1

K1 isn't popular in Europe

I live in Ireland and frequent the UK and the only place I've ever heard of K1 is on youtube. If it was hugely popular in Europe I would have at least heard about it at some point. It's also never broadcast on Eurosport.

Also the claim isn't sourced either for that matter and googling brings up zero results stating its popularity in Europe. Maybe it has followings in a few EU countries but certantly not enough to lump in the entire continent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.82.134 (talk) 16:16, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Eurosport does broadcast it in The Netherlands for sure. So does SBS6. Pretty popular —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.219.223 (talk) 23:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Kickboxing Rank

About the kickboxing rank at the latter half of the page, where is the source? --sin-man 09:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• On the last external link in their list. It's called Central Kickboxing Organization. There you can select a "Rankings" tag on the upper left corner. It is a very complex scoring system, which counts on every result of every fight. Lajbi 09:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

This doesn't seem very neutral to me.

I agree with the previous comment that the comment about bias is lacking reference and objective analysis (neutrality). While watching the fight between Kazushi Sakuraba and Smirnovas, I began to get the impression that the referee was indeed biased towards Sakuraba, however, when Sakuraba started answering with his own punches, he hit Smirnovas over and over, and Smirnovas turned his back to Sakuraba and was clearly doing a "fish dance". This referee might have been lacking in sense to protect the figthers better (Sakuraba was diagnosed with vertbrobasilar insufficiency presumably exacerbated by head shots), but he was actually consistent in allowing both fighters to beat each other senseless (I thought the referee should have stopped the fight when Sakuraba was taking a beating but also when Smirnovas was taking a severe beating. K1 Heros is relatively new and the referees are from a standup fighting only background (where fighters take more of a brutal beating), and so the referees seeming disregard for the fighter's safety, as compared to Ultimate Fighting Championships or Pride Fighting Championships could be attributed to lack of experience. No where did I see evidence for race-based favoritism. Similar controversies were frequently brought up about Kazushi Sakuraba when he won decision fights in Pride against the famous Gracie family Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighters, but indeed the race-biased comments came from fight critics who doubted that Kazushi Sakuraba, a Japanese fighter, could have actually won without the support of allegedly racist or biased referees. The controversy was over whether or not the referee stopped the match between Royler Gracie (an ADCC grappling champion) and Kazushi Sakuraba when Sakuraba had Gracie in a submission move. Royler Gracie showed he could not escape, and Sakuraba was reluctant to break Royler Gracie's arm, yet Royler would not tap. The referee finally stopped the match to protect Royler. Many Sakuraba critics and Pride fighting critics at this point suggested that Japanese organizations and Japanese referees in general were biased for the Japanese. The Gracie family, in order to protect their family name, sent Royce Gracie to fight Sakuraba under special 'Gracie' rules (hardly ever granted to anyone). This fight was ended when it became clear that Royce was outclassed by Sakuraba (his corner threw in the towel). Still, comments on internet forums, articles on Sherdog, and on other notable martial arts pages suggested Sakuraba's illigitimacy because of Japanese favoritism. The controversy was finally quelled when Sakuraba beat Renzo Gracie, another highly regarded Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighter. This time, Sakuraba did not hold back in his submission (presumably because people questioned his actual submission threats) by completely dislocating Renzo Gracie's arm.

Shardakar's analyses is certainly not objective (use of loaded language). It completely ignores the fact that Smirnovas also took too heavy of a beating (equal disregard by the referee), and concludes one of many different possibilities with little evidence. Could it not be just as likely that K1 Hero referees are inexperienced, or that the referee was allowing the fight to continue as long as possible because of instructions to allow the fight to be as entertaining as possible? Did the referee 'give' Sakuraba a win and a chance by allowing him to get beat further? Smirnovas clearly lacked the power to knock Sakuraba out cold, and he also lacked the skill to end the fight in a submission. Furthermore, he lacked stamina, which is why Sakuraba was able to make a comeback. To imply that the referee somehow gave Sakuraba a win because of race ignores Sakuraba's sudden improvement in striking ability training with world-class strikers Maricio Rua, Wanderlei Silva, and Rudimar Fedrigo; and also Sakuraba's commendable heart. If there ever is bias in Pride and K1, it is more likely that there is bias towards highly marketable fighters (special rules for Gracies or for K1 fighters transitioning to Pride, 'give-me' fights for champions, booking fights for unqualified but popular fighters, etc.) It is also becoming evident through Sakuraba's damage, that fights should be stopped much earlier than they were in this fight, but as a pioneer, Sakuraba had to take the damage unfortunately for the world of mixed martial arts to realize this.

"This controversy has recently appeared again at K-1 Heroes 6 in a match pitting Kazushi Sakuraba, the man that had been promoted as the face of the division and Lithuanian fighter Kestutis Smirnovas. Smirnovas, recovering from a front kick, caught Sakuraba coming in and knocking him to the ground senseless. Smirnovas, over the course of two minutes, pummelled Sakuraba with over 20 unprotected and unanswered punches, but the referee refused to stop the fight, only stepping in to reposition the fighters. Smirnovas, after three and a half minutes of relentless punching, began to slow down. This gave Sakuraba the opportunity to recover and knock down Smirnovas and get a submission win on him. K-1 promoter, Akira Maeda called from ringside for the fight to be stopped during the time Smirnovas was striking Sakuraba and along with PRIDE fighter Hidehiko Yoshida, condemned the actions of the referee." Shardakar 02:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Criticism

I think the following unfairly portrays the K-1 tournaments "This is a process that is somewhat similar to the process of choosing a Mr. or Miss Universe representant" The fighters who win their national tournaments have done so by facing their compatriots in the ring and winning through to represent their countries. It's not similar to a beauty pagent at all. Lisiate 23:29, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What is the norm for becomming a "notable fighter" and get a mention on this page?

I think these 3 certainly make the cut.

Aleksander Pitchkunov K-1 World GP 2007 in Hawaii Jan Nortje K-1 World GP 2007 in Hawaii Patric Barry K-1 World GP 2007 in Hawaii

should they be included?

Forbidden moves

This section needs cleanup. Patiwat 11:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• I've rewritten this section and renamed it "Fouls". Hopefully it'll be easier to understand. JRHorse 04:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Is K-1 a sport or a tournament or a fight promotion

I always thought K-1 is the name of tournament, but this article says it's a sport. Can 'K-1' refer to the sport and the tournament? Does the sport exist outside of the tournament?S Sepp 19:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

K-1 is the name of the tournament that embraces all types of martial arts (except close ground combat ones), and with the past 10 years K-1 also refers to the techniques involved. Nowdays there are even directly K-1 trained fighters (see Bob Sapp who wasn't even a fightsportsman) so it is an abstraction towards becoming a separate category. Lajbi ^{Holla @ me}Who's the boss? 19:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I am agree with this. K1 is first of all organization, company witch owner is Mr. Ishi and witch organize tournaments in kickboxing and from now also in ultimate fight.

K-1 is primarily a organization in the business of fight promotion which is why it has a company infobox included not a martial art infobox. Because of this I think that if it ever raises the point of being a "sport", or martial art, then that sport should get it's own separate article. Most independent sources classify K-1 as a style of the sport of Kickboxing and if you read that article it will be hard to disagree that K-1's rules outline a variant of Japanese kickboxing (which has Karate roots with additions from Muay Thai).

The K-1 website and the K-1 Fight Club websites seem to be trying to elevate their promotion to something more than it is. So the relationships here are similar to those of MMA (the sport - like Kickboxing), Zuffa (the parent company - like FEG) and the UFC (the promotion - like K-1). Hutcher (talk) 22:30, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

History Cleanup

I started the cleanup of the history section (long overdue). It was filled with a lot of opinion and bad English. I got as far as 2002. Will do the rest later. Neoyamaneko

Please also supply a concise digest of the history page (can be done by anyone) for the history section on this page. There should be a bit of history on this page as well. hateless 22:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

WayBack Machine Source

"[...], the result was reversed and Jerome Le Banner was officially announced as the new winner. Source: K-1 Website at the Internet Archive Wayback Machine"

The 'source' doesn't have any information on this. --62.195.99.142 11:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I also doubt this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.219.223 (talk) 23:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Grammar!

I stumbled upon this entry while following a link from another entry. I began reading it and took some time to repair the glaring grammar issues with the entry. I do admit that I am not a fan of K-1 am not well-versed in its procedures, so I hope my edits have been to the benefit of the entry.

Karate vs. Kickboxing

"Some of the best low kick performers in the world are found in several classic full contact karate styles, such as kyokushin and seidokan karate, the latter from which the K-1 originates. This has also lead to great success within the K-1 among fighters with traditional karate background: Andy Hug being the first K-1 fighter with a karate background to win the K-1. Three-year consecutive champion Semmy Schilt also comes from a full contact karate style known as Ashihara, where low kicks are prioritized as technique in competitions."

The quoted part is from the current article. Currently the K1 world grand prix is held 17 times and is won 12 times by a fighter with kickbox background and 5 times by a fighter with karate background. "Great Succes" among fighters with traditional karate background is exaggerated. Can someone please fix this ? (my english sucks) Hmmmmmz (talk) 12:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

K-1 Heavyweight Title

Hi, I thought that Kyotaro is holding the K-1 Heavyweight Title and defended it against Peter Aerts (in 2010?). So this section should be updated. 84.227.76.136 (talk) 13:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The section of current champions and the list of champions page is a complete mess. I tried making sense of it but I am not that knowledgeable to make the corrections. Someone needs to edit this page correctly. (Ty.54 (talk) 13:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC))

Current champions seems fine.ShadessKB (talk) 21:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Clarification

Needs more explanation on differences between World Grand Prix and World Max (existing is just confusing; talks about Max and then just starts with totally different tournaments), also what are K-2 an K-3 tournaments. What is important is to point out what is "world title" and for which weight category (for federation in question) and what are minor tournaments. What is K-1 World GP in Japan (in list of K1 champions), and what are all those new World Grand Prix tournaments with weight limits: -65kg, -70kg... What is the position, ranking of those tournaments? Are these new GPs at the level, significance of the original World GP (I know that in reality, qualitatively they are not, but formally ). What is the position of WGP Survival Wars tournaments in World Grand Prix? 213.149.62.13 (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2017 (UTC)