Talk:Summer solstice (disambiguation)

Combine solstice pages?

I think the solstice pages need to be united, w/ redirects from summer and winter. There also need to be diagrams, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Beginning or middle of season?

"Please note that this midsummer is not the middle of summer, if summer is defined as the warm time of year, because of delayed heating effect. Indeed, summer may be defined to begin with the summer solstice."

I don't get this, is it being suggested that in the northern hemisphere it's hottest around 15 August? Does anyone have weather data to support this? Phil Plait's description seems more logical. - Jeandré, 2004-03-21t08:41z

On the winter page, it states that "Astronomically, it begins with the winter solstice.".

Whereas on the Winter solstice page, it states that "In some reckonings, the winter solstice is the first day of winter"

Both descriptions are correct, but is it possible to make these two articles allign better? --Kelby 21:34, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Blueshade's 2005-04-06t11:10z edit states that the summer solstice is regarded as the start of summer in countries other than the USA also. Anyone have sources for this? — Jeandré, 2005-04-07t11:23z

hmm... i happen to live in such country ... here in Poland, summer starts on June 21st/22nd..., autumn on September 22nd/23rd, winter on December 21st/22nd, and spring on March 20th/21st... - Blueshade 23:55, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You may want to separate seasons from astronomical events. Seasons have everything to do with weather, astronomical events have very little to do with weather. Seasons vary from region to region, country to country, and indeed within countries. I think it is plausible to say that San Antonio, Texas has vastly different weather than New Haven, Connecticut. Your summer is defined on how your weather is where you are. For example, here are the seasons in San Antonio:

Winter: mid December to mid February
Spring: mid February to mid/late May
Summer: mid/late May to early/mid September
Autumn: early/mid September to mid December

Of course, that can change from year to year...one December we had a 88° F Christmas day. A good resource to read is the Straight Dope external link. - --JRed 19:59, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

In the UK the 21st of June might be called "Midsummer's Day", but it is also regarded as the beginning of Summer.

Please correct misconceptions

The orbital diagram is beautiful, but misleading. It suggests that the earth's axis points in a different direction at different seasons of the year. It does not. The earth's axis should be tipped in the same direction for both the summer and winter solstice illustrations. You should then change the direction from which the sunshine comes from -- from the right in one, and from the left in the other -- just as it actually does when the earth shifts position by 180 degrees in its orbit. I'd omit the illustration for the equinoxes entirely. Anything you would draw would suggest that the earth's axis is oriented straight up and down, which is of course not correct. In reality, the sunlight would be streaming perpendicular to the page, which is not possible to draw in a two-dimensional illustration. User:BartBenjamin

It would also probably be better to use the terms "December Solstice" and "June Solstice" instead of "winter" and "summer." That way, it is correct for all hemispheres. That is how the International Planetarium Society solves this dilemma for its members located in both hemispheres. User:BartBenjamin

Hmm, in my humble opinion, we should state summer and winter solstice, as this is what most people are interested in. However, I am unsure about the statement in the page that the summer solstice is in June. What I have been taught is that the summer solstice is relative to your hemisphere. I'm unsure what astronomers have to say about this, but as a meteorologist I've always heard the summer and winter solstice being relative to your hemisphere. A reference from "Meteorology Today" by C. Donald Ahrens states: "the seasons are reversed in the Southern Hemisphere. Hence, in the Southern Hemisphere, this same day (June 21) is the winter solstice"

Holidays

It is a little bit of a stretch to say that "people in the northern hemisphere" were the ones who discovered the solstices. There is evidence of advanced civilizations in South America that also, according to calendaric evidence; show that Olmec, Mayan, Aztecs and Incas probably understood these as well. ----Julien Deveraux 17:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

June 20/21/22

The summary states that the June solstice occurs on June 21/22 but the table of dates and times shows it's on June 20/21. Please could someone who knows the correct dates fix this? Chardir 10:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The dates and times in the table are correct, but state the time in UTC. Depending of the time zone you live in, the time on your clock at the event may be up to 12 hours later or earlier, effectively ending up on a different date. You might want to extend the range in the summary. minus;Woodstone 12:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Xiazhi

I've said in edit summary, Xiazhi exactly means summer solstice. Disambiguation should cover this article. This is useful to readers. People looking for summer solstice may be also interesting in it. Yao Ziyuan 12:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above editor does not seem to understand what disambiguation is. Quote from the offical wikipedia guideline PD:DAB (italics are mine):

Disambiguation in Wikipedia and other Wikimedia Foundation projects is the process of resolving ambiguity. The conflict occurs when a single term can be associated with more than one topic. In many cases, this word or phrase is the same natural title of more than one article. In other words, disambiguations are paths leading to different topic pages that share essentially the same term in their title.

So disambiguation is only relevant if literally the same word leads to several articles. Not if different words lead to the same article. −Woodstone 13:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a special case. Since "summer solstice" is a common concept, but English Wikipedia has both summer and winter solstices in one single article, result of summer solstice as a disambiguation. If you don't agree with me, add a "see also" section, moved it to that section, but not remove it. Yao Ziyuan 14:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of a disambiguation page is to send a reader on the right path after he types a particular title. If someone types "solstice" he comes to this page. The page then shows him the several other pages containing the word solstice. From there he can be referenced forward again to related articles (like xiazhi) by links or references (for example in a "see also" section).

If a reader types "xiazhi" he will never come here. So mentioning that word here does not make sense. He will on the other hand land directly in the relevant article and see the reference to "summer solstice" leading him on. −Woodstone 14:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no,no,no... something seems to be wrong. I'm just editing Taisho article, which is now a disambiguation. But the second entry is now at Dashu, but the entry Dashu obviously should be in the disambiguation since it is spelled as Taisho in Japanese romanization. So that's the same problem here. Yao Ziyuan 15:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

dab page

This should absolutely not be a dab page. The two albums don't not make equal precedence for the summer solstice. The rest are specific celebrations of the summer solstice. Arguments against making this a redirect to solstice? Cburnett 18:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No arguments here, as I have spent a fair amount of time doing dab updates on other pages from "summer solstice" to "solstice." I do think that eventually, people will wonder why there is a winter solstice page and no summer solstice page. Maybe winter solstice should be merged with solstice and turned into a redirect as well?Dkreisst 08:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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