Talk:Christian terrorism

Lambs of Christ

Observation: The_Lambs_of_Christ WP URL redirects to this page, yet there's not a single reference to LoC; that seems like quite the oversight. Doug Grinbergs (talk)

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Blatant omission

Why is there no mention of the largest Christian terrorist act in American history in this article? Groupthink (talk) 18:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Because it was primarily motivated by reasons other than religion, such as anti-government ideology and white nationalism. If you read through the various sections of Talk:Christian terrorism/Archive 15 (and earlier), there has been a slowly-arrived-at consensus that this page should set a strict standard for including only those terrorist acts that are agreed upon in secondary sources to have been motivated primarily by Christian religious beliefs, and also to avoid listing large numbers of events from the past century as a sort of wall of shame, in favor of emphasizing the common themes of Christian terrorist acts. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:17, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

One could make the same arguments about the September 11 attacks, and yet that article is rife with mentions of Islamism. Feels like a double standard to me, and burying ones head in the sand about the Christianity connection, and pretty bad non-NPOV selectivity. Groupthink (talk) 19:25, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, look at Christian Identity, of which the OKC bombers were adherents. Anti-government ideology and white nationalism are part and parcel of this form of Christianity. Groupthink (talk) 19:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'm actually an editor who was never that strong on wanting to make things so restrictive here. As for 9/11 and Islamic terrorism, there is a large body of source material that establishes a central role of religious motivations. On the other hand, we do cover Christian Identity here, so maybe that's a good reason to include mention of Oklahoma City there. What do other editors think? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:51, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Al Qaeda's ideology is also highly bound up in anti-imperialist, anti-colonialist and anti-Western hegemony thought. Bin Laden was highly if not primarily motivated by geopolitical issues. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:09, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree Tryptofish and white supremacists terrorism is not Christian and most sources differentiate between the two Even the US government calls White supremacists are greatest terror threat [1] it is not called Christian terrorism. While multiple WP:RS including scholarly sources clearly claim attacks by the Islamic State, Boko Haram, the Taliban, and al-Qaeda are religiously motivated.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:25, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Christian Identity is white supremacist. Christian Identity is also Christian. The two belief systems are not mutually exclusive. Groupthink (talk) 20:34, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

It's hard to see how a group that calls itself "Christian identity" and clearly operates on the basis of warped theological reading doesn't qualify as religiously motivated on some level. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

• We need an article on White supremacist terrorism.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Image not related

I do not see how the page is related to the image of "lipoma excision" included PietDuPreez (talk) 19:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

There's no such image on this page. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: I've seen complaints about images on three pages now. I think there might be a bug with the auto previews of articles. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

John E. List

Perhaps this article should make mention of John E. List, a devout Lutheran, who murdered members of his family, supposedly in order to save them from going to Hell.2603:6010:4E42:500:7C27:ABE8:CC5E:97A7 (talk) 20:37, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

I looked at our page on him, and although it was religiously-motivated murder, it wasn't really terrorism, which is intended to instill terror in other people. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)