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earlier comments

can anyone verify if this: http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/las_vegas/vegas/mandalay_gargoyle2.jpg is a depiction of Garuda? It was a gargoyle/stature at the hotel casino Mandalay Bay at Las Vegas. thanks. Xah P0lyglut 20:35, 2004 May 3 (UTC)

Yes it sure looks like one, especially the shape of the beak the wings, especially the structure of the feathers. Furthermore this statue is located in the so called Mandalay hotel, isn' it? Then it must be a Garuda as Mandalay is a place in Myanmar. Meursault2004 10:01, 4 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

does Geruda sometimes are depicted with a reptilian tail? i looked at some web images and no geruda looks like it. Here's another photo photo2 also note that there are a pair of these in front of an open arch. see photo Thanks. Xah P0lyglut 14:56, 2004 May 4 (UTC)

Well, it is possible that this statue is a so called reinterpretation of Garuda. In other words, this statue shows similarities with another birdlike mythological creature. I'm thinking of the Mexican Quetzalcoatl. The latter is a feathered snake. Well Mexico is closer to the U.S. than Southeast-Asia. The tail of the Garuda is mostly not depicted that way. Still, the wings and the beak are Garuda like. I hope this answered your question a bit. Bye, Meursault2004 20:28, 4 May 2004 (UTC).[reply]

thanks for the info! Probably a new design of Geruda as you said. The fact that its in Las Vegas probably doesn't warrant 100% authenticity... :) Xah P0lyglut 07:29, 2004 May 5 (UTC)

You're welcome. Below I've put an image of a Garuda as depicted by a Balinese artist somewhere in the 19th century. You'll see that this Garuda has manlike features but still has no reptilian tail. Meursault2004 15:36, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted this statement, He ate snakes until a Buddhist prince taught him the importance of asceticism; Garuda then resurrected all the snakes he had eaten. Nowhere in Hinduism is such a concept taught. user: 67.106.157.231

Is it a problem that this page seems to be mostly verbatim from the external link?

Yup, it is. I've excised the offending content. --Clay Collier 19:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Garuda, Rajeswari, Quetzalcoatl, Tezcatlipoca

Columnist Neil Steinberg says Garuda the Eagle and Rajeswari the Snake are sibling Hindu deities who battle each other. Is he correct? Steinberg is not always reliable. If he is, Garuda and Rajeswari would be reminiscent of Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca and the Aztec icon (now the Mexican national symbol) of the Eagle and Serpent fighting - also seen in the third Harry Potter film.) Das Baz 18:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese form

Is it possible that the Japanese form Karura is derived from Pali Garula and not from Sanskrit Garuda? Because then it makes sense how the second /r/ in Japanese came into being. Meursault2004 11:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is fair to assume that it entered Japan through South-East Asia, so your theory is plausible. Unless you can find a source, however, it would be considered original research so don't put it in the article. --Himasaram 00:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Garudamimus

I'm sure I remember a dinosaur named for the mythical creature. I ran a quick wiki search, and it comes up with nothing. It may have been renamed by now. But should it be mentioned? 125.238.134.69 (talk) 00:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's got an i: Garudimimus. Kotengu 小天狗 (talk) 05:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John Bowker citation

After being reverted, please don't just repeat your addition, but explain your reasons here. The edit summary is not a replacement for real discussion.

It may well be that Bowker is reliable as an author. The problem here is that the cited book is not about the Garuda, not even specifically about hinduism and buddhism, but about religions in general. On top of that, most of it consists of illustrations, with relatively little text. This makes it necessary that any explanations in the book are very superficial. This is even more the case for topics that are only(!) mentioned in an ephemeral picture caption, without any actual explanation. Copying such a sentence to Wikipedia is an improper use of the source. It doesn't help our readers to understand the topic, but rather confuses them. If you can find a source that actually explains the role of this "Tarksya" horse in relation to the Garuda, or their "links with the sun", etc. in a way suitable for an encyclopedia, then you're very welcome to add such material. However, your current addition doesn't satisfy those requirements, so I'm going to revert it again. --Latebird (talk) 12:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Garuda 1, Ace Combat 6

It should probably be mentioned in the popular culture section of this page that Garuda is the callsign for the squadron you fly with in the video game Ace Combat 6. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.253.155.135 (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

It is a congenital tendency of Cultists posing as historians to depict Santana Dharmic ittihas or History as mythology. Please delete the word "mythology" from the article when referring to Hinduism. If at all anything is a myth it is the cult of self-proclaimed prophets who proclaimed non-stop communication with the MAKER but still was never informed that the Earth was almost spherical as the Hindus always knew including the precession of the equinoxes and factored it in their day to day activities (Vedic Astrology). Contrast this with the flat earth prophets who spawned jealous desert creeds, it becomes apparent which is the myth. One should of course give a "left handed" compliment to the cassocked historians from trying! As Count Louis Hamon, known better as Cheiro, stated: "People who in their ignorance disdain the wisdom of ancient races forget that the great past of India contained secrets of life and philosophy that following civilizations could not controvert, but were forced to accept. For instance, it has been demonstrated that the ancient Hindus understood the precession of the equinoxes and made the calculation that it [a complete cycle] took place once in every 25,870 years. The observation and mathematical precision necessary to establish such a theory has been the wonder and admiration of modern astronomers. They, with their modern knowledge and up-to-date instruments, are still quarreling among themselves as to whether the precession, the most important feature in astronomy, takes place every 25,870 years or every 24,500 years. The majority believe that the Hindus made no mistakes, but how they arrived at such a calculation is as great a mystery as the origin of life itself.".. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.61.187 (talk) 04:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Modern depiction of garuda cannot be a Kite

Garuda is a snake eater. There are no kites in India specialized to eat snakes. Common folklore also dimisses the kites as Garuda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.53.206 (talk) 14:57, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Like I stated in my last edit summary, please provide a source for the "doubts." Please keep in mind that quoting a source that states Kites don't eat snakes is not the same as quoting one that folklore discounts the Kite. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Main Garuda image

The current main image for Garuda is this: Image:Garuda by Hyougushi in Delhi.jpg

Is this representation really a common representation? This figure doesn't look like a bird of any kind, contrary to everything the text says. It's a man with a moustache and wings. All of the other images in the article look much more like the representations of Garuda I have seen in the past, which almost all have a beak.

Should the image be replaced with one of the others in the article? — Sam 63.138.152.219 (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I share your oppinion. As Indonesian I always thought Garuda depiction is more like Indonesian ancient Javanese, Balinese, Khmer, Champa, and Thai common depictions: body of human, head and beak, wings, tail and claws of eagle. Indian depiction is too anthropomorphic, much like biblical "angel", simply a man with wings. However since India is the origin of Hindu mythology, they have the origin claim. How about change it to Indian painting of Vishnu and Laxmi mounting Garuda instead: File:Garuda Vishnu Laxmi.jpg

(Gunkarta (talk) 20:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)).[reply]

current img
Garuda Vishnu Laxmi.jpg (proposed by Gunkarta)

Ancient Indian Garudas are very anthropomorphic. A winged man with a human head but with a beak-like nose, however newer ones (like the 18th century image) show him with a beak, no nose/mouth. Some samples:

--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

unencyclopediac paragraph

Garuda – the vehicle of the lord is a Veda Swarupa. The essence of the sama veda (the lord’s favorite) is his Atma Swarupa. The sama called Gayathri forms his eyes. Sama called tivrat is his head. The verses of Yajur Vedas is his divine names. The chandas are his hands. Dhishniya or the platform for performing yajnas are his legs. The Sama brhat and Rathantara are his wings. The sama Yajna-yajnaniyam is his wings. Thus, he is called Veda Swarupa.

The above paragraph in the article reads as if it is translation from some scripture. This looks quite unencyclopediac. whoever added this: please explain why do you think this is the main stream understanding of Garuda in hiduism? what is the source of this text? Or at least why do think this should be in the wikipedia article? we need to remove this to make article sound more serious and informative. any thoughts on this please? Lokesh 2000 (talk) 06:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ramayana

The article reveals the appearance of Garuda in the Mahabharat epic, but does not mention the very important role he plays in the Ramayan epic. According to some Ramayan versions, after being struck by the mystical bramha-astra weapons of Indrajit (Ravan's oldest and most powerful son), both Sri Ram and Lakshman fall under the "snake spell", which supposedly has no cure. The ape-man vanara army falls into despair, thinking the scion of the Raghu race to be dead, and the war to be over. Sri Hanuman, then, flies up to the netherworld to meet Garuda, and asks for his help. Garuda flies with Hanuman to the place where Sri Ram and Lakshman's body lies, eats all the snakes that asphyxiates them, sucks out the poison, and thus liberates them both from the deadly spell, bringing them back to life, and back to the war of Dharm against adharm. I humbly suggest that a mention to Garuda's participation on the Ramayan should be made, or even a whole Ramayan paragraph, since his role in the story in crucial.

Paulo. 9/15/2012.

Garuda Ethymology

The Perennial Dictionary of World Religions, by Keith Crim (Harper Collins), on the entry "Garuda", states: "whose name means 'devourer'". Anyone can confirm the ethymology, since on this page it says it means "eagle" (which may also mean "devourer")? Thanks. --Nazroon (talk) 14:44, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Dictionary of Hindu Lore and Legend (2002) by Anna L. Dallapiccola says on page 82 that Garuda means "the Devourer." --Ghostexorcist (talk) 15:17, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Garuda in Himalayan Bön and Buddhist traditions

In Tantric (Vajrayana) Buddhism and Bön Garuda is a very important manifestations of different Buddhas and Deities (i.e. Guru Padmasambhava or Chakrasamvara). Advanced tantric teachings ask the practitioner to visualize the Guru (or the Deity) as a Garuda. http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Garuda, http://kwling.org/bon/dieties/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guido freddi (talk • contribs) 17:20, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Indus Valley Civilization

Garuda has been shown in indus valley civilization pottery, the features of garuda really match well with the ones shown in the pottery especially its wing pointed upwards and talons spreading outwards and wings are rounded just like a typical imagery, im not sure if any historian has tried to discuss this topic or not but i would be surprised if they haven't done this already.

indus civilization garuda looking bird

garuda looking bird indus civilization 2

the garuda iconography infact will be dated much earlier in prehistoric times as indian petroglyphs, Ratnagiri, Maharashtra also show the same style

http://www.themetrognome.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Rock-Art-at-Kudopi-5-A-bird-620x350.jpg Ratnagiri petroglyphs]

same style of wing tipped upwards shown here as well. 115.135.130.182 (talk) 16:11, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Incongruent opening sentences?

The opening lines are somewhat misleading: "primarily depicted as the mount (vāhana) of the Hindu god Vishnu." Depicted in which region? Around which time-period? 1. Suparṇa is called the Divyah Śyena (celestial falcon) that brings down the Soma (ambrosia of sorts) from the divine realm. Garutmānt appears in the Atharvaveda, and later undergoes syncretization.[1] Points to ponder: is it surprising that syncretization should happen with other messenger deities (e.g. Mercury)? 2. Circa 130 BCE: the Heliodorus pillar raised by the Yavana ambassador in Besnagar is called a 'Garudadhvaja' and it's dedicated to Vāsudeva. Some decades later, the same thing is seen in Bharhut. During the Gupta Period (a dynasty which embraced the Garuda emblem) Garuda has been portrayed in anthropomorphic forms.[2] [3] As a royal solar-bird - Garuda may in fact be comparable to the Persian-Parthian 'Xvarena' or the Turkic 'Kut'. Even till the 6th century CE (in Nepal), Garutmānt was portrayed (and quite possibly venerated) as a standalone deity: sort of an all-seeing, fleet-footed go-between for the realms of gods and men. As such, Garuda's link to Visnu (via Vāsudeva, and later Krsna) is likely to due to the 'dhvaja' (war-banner / sigil) - and slowly gave way to more popular puranic stories. Adnanramin (talk) 20:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]